Well, if a nation wants a completely-phony, utterly-Fed-manipulated market, this is what they have to live with. For myself, my ONLY losses today were those garnered from (twice) stupidly buying all this "bounce" talk (you guys really need to stop…………) and going long (briefly) a couple of ETFs. Fair value for the Dow is 6,000. It's just going to take the public a couple of years to finally get there.